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Post by Michael Tippach on Aug 15, 2007 19:21:47 GMT
Audio dropouts under Vista, even at unreasonably high ASIO buffer size settings?Forget about turning off all the eye candy and so on - this will yield only a minor improvement, if any improvement at all! The single most important "tweak" is to turn off the Processor Power Management, which defaults to "enabled".The easiest way to achieve this is to open Control Panel->System and Maintenance->Power Options and change the "power plan" setting from "Balanced" (which is the default) to "High Performance". PPM has an extremely negative impact on the Vista real time capabilities!
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Post by thecoloursound on Oct 11, 2007 2:20:18 GMT
Michael, I've done everything imaginable to stop the dropouts when using Live and the ASIO4ALL driver. MME was even worse ... i think it is because i have a sigmatel hef def internal card on my lappie. the cutouts, more specifically, only happen when i hold midi notes in for a few seconds. sometimes alot of notes cause a cutout. oddly, the cpu meter never gets above 15%, but i can't hold notes for any decent amount of time. also, my buffers are set to 2048 (yes), and i still get the skipping / cutouts.
i am buying a tascam us-144 usb audio interface, and hope that it will help with my problems. do you have any thoughts?
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Post by emupaul on Oct 22, 2007 23:25:06 GMT
I found that going to control panel->system->advanced system properties->advanced->performace settings->advanced and then clicking adjust for best performece (background services) works best uncheck (programs)
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Post by Simon on Oct 25, 2007 1:03:55 GMT
Turning off power management is the best optimisation, but turning off Aero "eye candy" is also good.
I have a video card that should be good enough for the CPU to delegate Areo, but I can still get better latency with Aero off. Down to 4 or 5ms from 7 or 8ms. Better than a 30% improvement. It seems nVidia still haven't completely caught up with Vista, so it could well be fixed by future drivers. The 3D graphics seems to be creating some system bottleneck with my Sigmatel card which may be fixed by future Vista, Sigmatel or nVidia updates. For now I am happy to turn Aero off when using Asio.
Personalization->Window color and appearance->Open classic appearance properties.... ->Windows Vista Basic.
System: Dell Inspiration 9400, Vista Home Premium 32bit, Intel Core 2 Duo T7200, 1GB RAM, 256MB nVidia GeForce Go 7900 GS, Sigmatel HD.
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Post by guitartrek on Nov 3, 2007 18:52:19 GMT
Below Problem SOLVED! I have 3 network connections setup - LAN, Bluetooth and Wireless. I don't use all of them at the same time, but keep them enabled. However, because my Line6 devices are USB, the network connections seem to cause glitches - not all the time, but often enough. When I disable all the network connections the glitches go away.
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Michael - First of all - Thank you for your ASIO4all. It has improved my recording capabilities greatly when using the Line6 USB devices.
I still get these occasional snaps and crackles, and dropouts when using the Line6 devices hooked up through USB (CPU usage is only 25%) Seems to happen to a greater extent while recording. I've tried everything so far - Power management is now Performance, turned off AERO, Background services have priority, tried turning off all special vista video, etc. I've got buffers set at 512 which is maximum allowable latency for me. None of those changes seems to have any effect.
The one thing I am curious about is checking the PCI Latency Settings to see if the Video card is stealing too many clock cycles from the USB port. I downloaded the PCI Latency Tool 3.0 but I can't see the Video card. All the USB's Latencies are showing 0 - not sure what this means. In device manager, the NVIDIA settings won't let me get into any advanced settings so I can't see what it is doing, and I can't turn of Hardware Acceleration if it is on.
Anybody have any ideas? My old VIAO Laptop running XP worked perfectly with the same devices. Not sure if it is Vista or the new (much faster) VIAO.
Thank you - Geno
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Post by Phobik on Nov 20, 2007 18:27:11 GMT
Thanks for ASI4all, it saves me from buying expensive low latency AI ;D But I can not make Rewuschel work in Vista. Mostly i mess XP mixer, where one has routing possibilities, and tha is lacking in vista. Rewuschel works fine in my XP rig, is here something I need to do different for Vista? Thanks!
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Post by spaceman on Dec 22, 2007 13:16:27 GMT
My 2 cents:
I haven't had much luck with Vista using ASIO4ALL, WDM or WaveRT drivers. I'm using an Inspiron 6400 laptop (Core Duo T2400 CPU, 1.5Gb RAM) which features the ubiquitous Sigmatel STAC 9200 audio chip.
I get the "best" latency using the WDM driver (WaveRT under Sonar always crackles - prob. bad drivers), but can't get below 26ms, which is awful.
The twist is that XP is even worse - ASIO4ALL provides the best latency under XP (I'm using Live 7) but I get audio glitches constantly at even 30ms, which is pretty brutal.
I haven't had much luck under Sonar either, so it's not Live that causing the problem.
Just read the tip regarding power management though - that's the only thing I haven't tried yet under Vista. Since I'm having no luck under XP (which is surprising), I'm going to have to give Vista another go.
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Post by spaceman on Dec 27, 2007 11:54:04 GMT
Hi all,
I can confirm that Michael's suggestion regarding cpu power management under Vista does indeed work. After reinstalling Vista (I wiped the partition to give XP another try for audio - it sucked) and Live 7, I'm now getting glitch free audio in asio4all with a 14 ms latency. so there ya go...
_sP_
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Post by spyro on Dec 28, 2007 9:08:45 GMT
14ms is quite a lot dude.
I can confirm Vista runs slower, you cannot achieve the same lower latencies as in Xp...so...bottom line...STICK WITH XP...at least until SP2
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Post by spaceman on Dec 28, 2007 17:36:45 GMT
I am aware that 14ms isn't anything amazing, but it is indeed usable - you must play keyboards live, I don't know - for me it's quite usable.
Also, I can't get decent latencies using XP so that's why I'm using Vista. I don't think anyone would use Vista as their DAW OS if they could get better results under XP (which *most* people can, myself not included).
I'm using Vista because I have to, and I'm dealing with a 14ms latency because money doesn't grow on trees.
Peace out, _sP_
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Post by spaceman on Dec 28, 2007 17:44:36 GMT
Also,
It's highly doubtful that service packs will change anything latency related (delayed procedure calls, etc) under Vista. Service packs update kernels, provide desktop (average user) performance improvements, improve or introduce support for new technologies, etc. Poor real time data streaming latency is a reality of Vista's core architecture and is unlikely to change no matter what iteration of service pack is installed.
Cheers, _sP_
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Post by cdysthe on Feb 4, 2008 14:21:17 GMT
One thing that has worked great for me is using a program called ProcessLasso to make sure my DAW and music software get unlimited CPU when they need it. ProcessLasso keeps other applications and processes in control CPU wise for you, and you can let your music software get unlimited CPU all the time. You can get it here: www.bitsum.com/prolasso.phpAnd did I mention that it is free? //C
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Post by ryan on Feb 7, 2008 7:24:27 GMT
they may actually be working on the audio system for the service pack a lot of people have had problems! hopefully they do something about 'memory management' also ;D
thanks for the process-lasso, ill check it out.
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Post by spyro on Feb 16, 2008 8:22:14 GMT
project lasso is very handy indeed! and doesn't affects performance.
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Post by trevorian on Apr 4, 2008 18:12:43 GMT
Well i don't know if this might help, but I've always had sound problems with my laptop since I installed Vista. After searching like crazy, the only solution was the power management, but one day a dude posted that these sound issues were related to the SATA controller, because the Vista original drivers Suck. After installing the drivers the sound problems stopped and i could switch Vista back to the balanced mode. I hope this helps
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